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Comparing two accelerometer sensors on the same pump in a single chart

Comparing two accelerometer sensors on the same pump in a single chart

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Hello. I am the technical manager of an office complex. The No. 3 circulation pump in the chiller circuit has two separate vibration sensors. One is an ESP32 node with an ADXL345 that an intern built two years ago, and the other is an industrial vibration transmitter we had installed last month (RS-485, comes in through a gateway). Both are pushing data to Hermetry.The problem: the same pump, at the same time, but there is almost a 3x difference between the values. The old node sends a key called vib, around 0.4. The new transmitter sends vel_rms, between 2.8 and 3.1. I don’t know which one to trust, and the maintenance company is looking at the new one and recommending a bearing replacement.What I want is to see both on the same chart, one above the other, and compare them. I added a chart card on the dashboard, but I think I could only select one device. Also, if anyone knows how to make a proper comparison, I would be glad to hear it.

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Selecting both switches side by side on the card should be enough, write both in the keys field.

Sahadan selamlar.
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Ergün, the tags are on two different devices. In the Line chart you can add up to 8 sources in the Series field; use “+ Add another source” to add the second device as a separate source.

Kayıtta yoksa olmamıştır.
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I think there’s a unit issue before the chart. What is 0.4? g? Peak or RMS? If the new one is in mm/s, then there’s no point putting both on the same axis.

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I found the intern’s code: vib = the largest absolute value of the samples from the last 1 second, in g. The transmitter’s label says “10-1000 Hz, mm/s RMS”.

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So these two are not measuring the same thing, which explains the 3x difference. When we commission a new sensor alongside an old one in the plant, we always follow the same path:1. Bring them to the same quantity. Pass the acceleration of the old node through a 10-1000 Hz band-pass filter, integrate it to velocity and take the RMS. With the ADXL345, a 1-second window and 3200 Hz sampling give a rough but comparable RMS in mm/s. Name the new key vel_rms, and keep sending the old vib for a while.2. Mounting. The transmitter is usually fitted with a stud, while the new node is probably clamped or glued. Adhesive mounting loses a significant amount of value at high frequencies. Attach both to the same bearing housing, in the same direction (radial).3. Chart. Line chart, with two sources in Series: one is the ESP32 node’s vel_rms, the other is the transmitter’s. Choose the same Aggregate (avg) for both. Label the Series rows “Node” and “Transmitter”. While the units differ, you can put one series on the right axis with Value axis: Right, but once they share the same unit, a single axis is more honest. Also draw the ISO 10816 limit (around 4.5 mm/s for this pump) as a Threshold line; it helps when talking to the maintenance company.Settings are here: Chart cards. Watch them side by side for a week; if the difference falls within 10-15%, both are correct.

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Thanks a lot, Mr. Toprak. We added the integration to the node’s code and mounted it next to the transmitter with a stud. For five days the two lines have been almost on top of each other, and the node reads about 8% lower. The value is around 3 mm/s, below the threshold line, so I postponed the bearing replacement. One more note: on the first day the max had stuck in one aggregate, so the curve looked jagged.

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